Transcript of second Democratic debate night time 2

Democratic presidential candidates are debating for the second night time in a row in Detroit. Beneath is a transcript from the controversy; we’ll replace it constantly all through the night.

TAPPER: Welcome again to the CNN Democratic presidential debate. Candidates, we’re about to start opening statements. However first, a fast evaluation of the bottom guidelines that your campaigns agreed to earlier this month to strive to make sure a good debate.

As moderators, we are going to try and information the dialogue. You’ll every obtain one minute to reply questions, 30 seconds for responses and rebuttals, and 15 extra seconds if a moderator asks for a clarification. The timing lights will remind you of those limits. Please respect them, and please chorus from interrupting different candidates throughout their allotted time. A candidate infringing on one other candidate’s time may have his or her time diminished.

We, once more, remind our viewers contained in the Fox Theatre to attempt to stay silent when candidates are actively debating. The candidates want to have the ability to correctly hear the questions and one another.

BASH: Let’s begin with opening statements. You’ll every obtain one minute. Mayor Invoice de Blasio, please start.

DE BLASIO: To the working folks of America, tonight I deliver you a message of hope. We will make change on this nation. I do know from private expertise it may be finished.

After I grew to become the mayor of the nation’s largest metropolis, I set us on a path of daring change. They mentioned it could not be finished, however we gave pre-Okay to each baby without spending a dime. We removed stop-and-frisk and we lowered crime. We raised the minimal wage to $15 an hour. Sure, it may be finished.

Now, tonight we’ve got to get to the guts and soul of who we’re as Democrats. There are good folks on this stage, however there are actual variations.

Joe Biden instructed rich donors that nothing essentially would change if he have been president. Kamala Harris mentioned she’s not making an attempt to restructure society. Properly, I’m.

For 40 years, working folks have taken it on the chin on this nation. For 40 years, the wealthy have gotten richer they usually’ve paid much less and fewer in taxes. It can’t go on this fashion. After I’m president, we are going to even up the rating and we are going to tax the hell out of the rich to make this a fairer nation and to verify it is a nation that places working folks first.


BASH: Thanks, Mayor de Blasio. Senator Michael Bennet?

BENNET: Thanks. Final week, I noticed a kind of Trump indicators that claims, “America, like it or depart it.” And it was on the skin of a church.

I like America. And I do know we will make it higher.

Earlier than coming to the Senate I ran (inaudible) faculty district the place a lot of the children dwell in poverty. These children have precisely the identical hopes that I had.

Their dad and mom have precisely the identical hopes for them that my dad and mom had for me, and that Susan and I’ve for our three kids. However for the final three years, we have been consumed by a president who frankly would not give a rattling about your children or mine. Mr. President; children belong in school rooms, not cages.


And so they deserve one thing higher than a bully within the White Home. Let’s finish this three ringed circus in Washington and make — and let’s make this election about reclaiming our future for our children and our democracy. Empty guarantees will not beat Donald Trump, I can.

BASH: Governor Jay Inslee.

INSLEE: Good night. I am Jay Inslee. I’m working for president as a result of the folks on this room and the democrats watching tonight are the final greatest hope for humanity on this planet.

If — if we make defeating the local weather disaster the highest precedence of the USA, we may have a preventing probability to avoid wasting ourselves and our kids’s future. It must be our high precedence. My plan is one in every of nationwide mobilization, shortly bringing 100 p.c clear vitality to Individuals, creating Eight million good union jobs.

It is a massive, daring, bold plan for clear vitality for an enormous daring bold nation. Center floor approaches should not sufficient. We should confront the fossil gasoline business. I have been engaged on this for 25 years.

And now we all know this, we’re at tipping level and whether or not we shrink from this problem or rise to it’s the important query of our time. We democrats imagine we will nonetheless do massive issues on this nation. We will defeat the local weather disaster. Let’s get to work.


BASH: Senator Kirsten Gillibrand.

GILLIBRAND: My grandmother taught me that nothing’s unattainable. She spent two generations organizing girls in Upstate New York. My mom taught me nothing’s unattainable. She was one in every of solely three girls in her legislation faculty class and labored with homosexual {couples} for primary rights.

If you wish to get one thing finished, simply inform me it is unattainable. As a freshman senator I used to be instructed you could not repeal Do not Ask, Do not Inform. Even members of my very own occasion instructed me it wasn’t handy. When are civil rights ever handy?

We stood as much as the Pentagon and we obtained it finished. Not unattainable. 10 years in the past I used to be instructed you couldn’t move well being look after our 9/11 first responders, these heroes who raced up the towers when others have been coming down.

Even when Congress turned its again on them, we stored preventing. Simply final week we made the 9/11 well being invoice everlasting.


Beating Donald Trump positively not unattainable. We’d like a nominee who will tackle the large fights and win. We’d like a nominee who would not know the that means of unattainable.

BASH: Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard.


GABBARD: I like our nation. It is why I enlisted after 9/11, why I’ve served as a soldier for over 16 years, deployed twice to the Center East, and serve in Congress now for nearly seven years.

I do know what patriotism is and I’ve recognized many nice patriots all through my life. And let me inform you this, Donald Trump just isn’t behaving like a patriot. As president I’ll deliver this spirit of actual patriotism to the White Home, serving the curiosity of all Individuals, not simply the wealthy and highly effective.

I’ll combat for our rights and freedoms of all Individuals, upholding these ideas in our structure upon which our nation was based, preventing for justice and equality for all. Preventing for each single American no matter race or faith as we try in the direction of that extra good union.

And as president I will deliver this unifying spirit of affection for nation and the soldier’s values of service above self to the White Home, really main a authorities of by and for the folks.

BASH: Secretary Julian Castro.

CASTRO: Thanks, Dana, and good night.

, just some days in the past we have been reminded and impressed by our fellow Individuals in Puerto that public service just isn’t essentially about any of us; it is about you and your loved ones.

I would like you to know that, if I am elected president, that I’ll work laborious each single day so that you just and your loved ones can have good well being care once you want it, in order that your kids and grandchildren can get a superb training in order that they’ll attain their desires and which you can have good job alternatives, whether or not you reside right here in an enormous metropolis like Detroit or in a small city in our nation.

I do know we’ve got an exquisite, particular nation however that too many individuals are struggling. And I do know what that is like, too. , I grew up with a single mother in a poor neighborhood. However like a lot of you, I do not need to make America something once more. I do not need us to go backward. We’re not going again to the previous. We’re not going again the place we got here from. We’ll transfer ahead. We’ll make America higher than it is ever been within the years to return. Let’s try this collectively.


BASH: Andrew Yang?

YANG: If you happen to’ve heard something about me and my marketing campaign, you’ve got heard that somebody is working for president who desires to offer each American $1,000 a month. I do know this will sound like a gimmick, however this can be a deeply American thought, from Thomas Paine to Martin Luther King to immediately.

Let me inform you why we have to do it and the way we pay for it. Why do we have to do it? We already automated away tens of millions of producing jobs, and likelihood is your job might be subsequent. If you happen to do not imagine me, simply ask an auto employee right here in Detroit.

How can we pay for it? Increase your hand within the crowd in the event you’ve seen shops closing the place you reside. It isn’t simply you. Amazon is closing 30 p.c of America’s shops and malls and paying zero in taxes whereas doing it. We have to do the alternative of a lot of what we’re doing proper now, and the alternative of Donald Trump is an Asian man who likes math.


So let me share the maths. A thousand {dollars} a month for each grownup can be $461 million each month, proper right here in Detroit alone. The automation of our jobs is the central problem dealing with us immediately. It’s why Donald Trump is our president, and any politician not addressing it’s failing the American folks.


BASH: Senator Cory Booker?

BOOKER: Thanks, Dana.

Final week the president of the USA attacked an American metropolis, calling it “a disgusting, rat-infested rodent mess.”

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BOOKER: We’d like a nation that understands that this drained previous language, the…

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LEMON: Stand by, Senator.

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BOOKER: I’ll stand by.

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LEMON: Please stand by.

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LEMON: Please, proceed, Senator.

BOOKER: Thanks very a lot.

Donald Trump, from Charleston to Baltimore to even the border, is utilizing the drained, previous language of demagogues, of fear-mongers, of racists, to attempt to divide our nation towards itself. We all know who Donald Trump is, however on this election, the query is who’re we as a folks?

Now we have critical issues in America. Now we have deep wounds and critically deeply rooted challenges. We desperately have to heal as a nation and transfer ahead. As a result of we all know on this nation that our fates are united, that we’ve got a typical future. The decision of this election is the decision to unite in widespread trigger and customary objective. That is how we are going to beat Donald Trump. That is how I’ll beat Donald Trump. And as your president, that is how I’ll govern and transfer us ahead collectively.


BASH: Senator Kamala Harris?

HARRIS: That is an inflection second within the historical past of our nation. I feel everyone knows that. It is a second in time that’s requiring us every as people and collectively to look in a mirror and ask a query, that query being “Who’re we?”

And I feel most of us know that a part of the reply to that query is we’re higher than this. So this then turns into a second that we should combat for the most effective of who we’re. And combat, after all, we are going to.

And this isn’t a brand new combat for us as Individuals. Now we have all the time been ready to combat for our beliefs. Now we have all the time been a nation that fights for the most effective of who we’re.

And I will inform you, I come from fighters. My dad and mom met after they have been energetic within the civil rights motion. My sister, Maya, and I joke we grew up surrounded by a bunch of adults who spent full time marching and shouting about this factor referred to as justice.

And I’m ready to march with you, to combat with you for the most effective of who we’re and to efficiently prosecute the case of 4 extra years of Donald Trump, and towards him.


BASH: Vice President Joe Biden.

BIDEN: Tonight, I feel Democrats expect some engagement right here. And I anticipate we’ll get it.

I am working for president to revive the soul of this nation. , we’ve got a president, as all people has acknowledged right here, day-after-day is ripping on the social cloth of this nation, however nobody man has the capability to tear that aside. It is too sturdy. We’re too good.

Simply take a look at this stage, made up of very numerous folks from numerous backgrounds, went on to be mayors, senators, governors, congresswomen, members of the cupboard, and, sure, even a vp.

Mr. President, that is America. And we’re stronger and nice due to this range, Mr. President, not despite it, Mr. President.


So, Mr. President, let’s get one thing straight: We like it. We aren’t leaving it. We’re right here to remain. And we’re actually not going to go away it to you.


BASH: Thanks, Vice President Biden. I need to begin the controversy with one of many high priorities for Democratic voters, and that’s well being care.

Senator Harris, this week you launched a brand new well being care plan which might protect personal insurance coverage and take 10 years to part in. Vice President Biden’s marketing campaign calls your plan, quote, “a have-it-every-which-way method” and says it’s simply a part of a complicated sample of equivocating about your well being care stance. What do you say to that?

HARRIS: Properly, they’re in all probability confused as a result of they’ve not learn it. However the actuality is that I’ve been spending time on this marketing campaign listening to American households, listening to specialists, listening to well being care suppliers, and what I got here away with is a really clear understanding that I wanted to create a plan that was attentive to the wants of the American folks, attentive to their wants understanding that insurance coverage firms have been jacking up the costs for much too lengthy, that American households need to be held down by deductibles and co-pays and premiums that may trigger them chapter.

I listened to the American households who mentioned 4 years is simply not sufficient to transition into this new plan, so I devised a plan the place it’ll be 10 years of a transition.

I listened to American households who mentioned I would like an choice that can be below your Medicare system that permits a non-public plan. So I designed a plan the place, sure, attentive to the wants of American households, there can be a public plan, below my plan for Medicare, and a non-public plan, below my plan for Medicare.

As a result of the underside line is that this: We should agree that entry to well being care should be a proper and never only a privilege of those that can afford it. And in America immediately, far too many individuals — actually, 30 million folks — are going with out entry to well being care.

BASH: Thanks, Senator. Thanks, Senator Harris. Vice President Biden, your response.

BIDEN: Properly, my response is that the senator has had a number of plans thus far. And any time somebody tells you you are going to get one thing good in 10 years, it’s best to surprise why it takes 10 years.

If you happen to observed, there is no such thing as a speak about the truth that the plan in 10 years will price $three trillion. You’ll lose your employer-based insurance coverage. And in reality, you already know, that is the one most vital concern dealing with the general public. And to be very blunt and to be very simple, you’ll be able to’t beat President Trump with double-talk on this plan.

BASH: Your response, Senator Harris?

HARRIS: Completely. Sadly, Vice President Biden, you are simply merely inaccurate in what you are describing. The fact is that our plan will deliver well being care to all Individuals below a Medicare for All system.

Our plan will permit folks to start out signing up on the primary day. Infants can be born into our plan, and proper now, Four million infants nearly are born day-after-day in America — or yearly in America. Underneath our plan, we are going to be sure that everybody has entry to well being care.

Your plan, against this, leaves out nearly 10 million Individuals. So I feel that it’s best to actually take into consideration what you are saying, however be reflective and perceive that the folks of America need entry to well being care and are not looking for price to be their barrier to getting it.

BASH: Senator Harris, thanks. Vice President Biden, your response?

BIDEN: The plan, irrespective of how you chop it, prices $three trillion when it’s, actually, employed, primary. Ten years from now, after two phrases of the senator being president, after her time.

Secondly, it would require middle-class taxes to go up, not down. Thirdly, it would get rid of employer-based insurance coverage. And fourthly, what occurs within the meantime?

HARRIS: I might like to reply. To begin with, the price of doing nothing is much too costly. Second, we are actually paying $three trillion a yr for well being care in America. Over the following 10 years, it is in all probability going to be $6 trillion. We should act.

My plan is about instantly permitting folks to enroll and get into protection. Proper now in America, we’ve got seniors, who day-after-day — tens of millions of seniors are going into the Medicare system and they’re getting full protection and the type of protection they want. All folks ought to have entry to well being care. And prices shouldn’t be their barrier.

BASH: Thanks, Senator Harris.

Mayor de Blasio, let’s deliver you in right here. What’s your response?

DE BLASIO: Thanks. I do not know what the vp and the senator are speaking about. The parents I discuss to about medical insurance say that their medical insurance is not working for them.

There’s tens of tens of millions of Individuals who don’t even have medical insurance, tens of tens of millions extra who’ve medical insurance they’ll barely make work due to the co-pays, the deductibles, the premiums, the out-of-pocket bills.

There’s this mythology that someway all of those people are in love with their insurance coverage in America. What I hear from union members and from hard-working, middle-class folks is they need they’d higher insurance coverage they usually’re offended at personal insurance coverage firms that skim all of the income off the highest and make it unattainable for on a regular basis folks to get protection like psychological care…

BASH: Thanks, Mr. Mayor.

DE BLASIO: … dental care, the issues that might be full protection for all Individuals.

BASH: Thanks, Mr. Mayor.

Vice President Biden, you simply heard Mayor de Blasio. He mentioned prior to now that Democrats who wished to maintain the personal insurance coverage business are defending a well being care system that isn’t working. What’s your response?

BIDEN: My response is, Obamacare is working. The best way to construct this and get to it instantly is to construct on Obamacare. Return and do — take again all of the issues that Trump took away, present a public choice, that means each single particular person in America would be capable to purchase into that choice in the event that they did not like their employer plan, or in the event that they’re on Medicaid, they’d routinely be within the plan.

It will happen instantly. It will transfer shortly. And it might insure the huge, huge, overwhelming majority of Individuals.

Within the meantime, what occurs? Did anyone inform you how a lot their plans price? My plan prices $750 billion. That’s what it prices. Not $30 trillion.

BASH: Thanks, Mr. Vice President. Senator Gillibrand, you assist Medicare for All. How do you are feeling about Senator Harris persevering with to name her well being proposal Medicare for All, when it consists of a much more important function for personal insurance coverage than the invoice you co-sponsored?

GILLIBRAND: I feel for the viewers within the viewers proper now, they’re prone to dropping the forest by way of the timber, as a result of the reality is, well being care in America ought to be a proper.

After I was a younger mom and had Theo as an toddler, he had an allergic response to eggs and his complete physique turned pink and puffy. I needed to rush him to the emergency room. My coronary heart is palpitating as a result of I am frightened that his throat will shut. I’m not frightened about not having an insurance coverage card or a bank card in my pockets. I do know no matter they’ll prescribe, whether or not it is an EpiPen or an inhaler, I can afford it.

The reality about well being care in America immediately is folks cannot afford it. They can not afford — and the insurance coverage firms for these plans that depend on insurance coverage firms, I am sorry, they’re for-profit firms. They’ve an obligation to their shareholders. They pay their CEO tens of millions of {dollars}. They need to have quarterly income.

They’ve fats within the system that is actual and it ought to be going to well being care. So let’s not lose the forest for the timber.

And final, let’s not overlook what the Republicans are doing, as a result of the reality is, the Republicans and Trump, their complete objective is to remove your well being care.

BASH: Thanks.

GILLIBRAND: To make it tougher so that you can afford it, even when you have pre-existing circumstances.

BASH: Thanks, Senator Gillibrand. Senator Harris, your response?


HARRIS: In response to Senator Biden concerning the Reasonably priced Care Act, it’s important that you just perceive that our Medicare for All plan has really by the architect of the Obama Reasonably priced Care Act been described as one of the crucial efficient methods to deliver well being care to all. Kathleen Sebelius has endorsed our plan as being one thing that can get us to the place we have to go.

When it comes to the purpose that Senator Gillibrand is elevating, I could not agree extra. Senator Biden, your plan will preserve and permit insurance coverage firms to stay with established order, doing enterprise as standard, and that is going to be about jacking up co-pays, jacking up deductibles…

BASH: Thanks, Senator.

HARRIS: It is going to nonetheless be the scenario that individuals going to an emergency room…

BASH: Thanks, Senator Harris. Vice President Biden, your response?

HARRIS: … have to return out $5,000.

BIDEN: My plan makes a restrict of co-pay to be $1,000, as a result of we additional assist the — the flexibility to purchase into the Obamacare plan.

Secondly, the concept that is someway a foul thought, nobody has to maintain their personal insurance coverage, however they – in the event that they like their insurance coverage, they need to be capable to preserve it. Nothing is demanded in my plan that there be personal insurance coverage.

It says, if the 160 million who’ve it say they like their employer insurance coverage, they need to have a proper to have it. If they do not, they’ll purchase into the Biden plan, which is Obamacare with –

BASH: Thanks, Mr. Vice President. Thanks. Senator Booker, let me deliver you in right here. You say you assist Medicare for All. You additionally say you aren’t going to tug personal medical insurance from greater than 150 million Individuals in change for a authorities plan, however that is what Medicare for All would do.

So how do you sq. that?

BOOKER: Properly, to start with, let me simply say, that the person who’s having fun with this debate most proper now could be Donald Trump, as we pit Democrats towards one another, whereas he’s working proper now to remove Individuals’ healthcare. There’s a court docket case working by way of the system that is going to intestine the Reasonably priced Care Act and really intestine protections on preexisting circumstances.

And so, I used to be raised by two civil rights dad and mom who instructed me, all the time preserve your eyes on the prize. And that’s that in the USA of America, each Democrat ought to stand with the assumption that everybody ought to have entry to healthcare, that it is a human proper. And the way we get there, it must be to finish this damaged system, as a result of we’re on our approach, only a handful of years of actually spending 20 p.c of our financial system, one out of each $5 spent on healthcare.

And we spend greater than each different nation, on the whole lot from MRIs to insulin medication, a number of mores than different nations – a number of greater than different nations. And so, do you need to know what I will do? I will work to get us to some extent the place Medicare for All – the place everybody is roofed.

However this pitting towards progressives towards moderates, saying one is unrealistic and the opposite would not care sufficient, that to me is dividing our occasion and demoralizing us in face of the actual enemy right here. And I am –

BASH: Thanks, Senator.


BOOKER: – going to maintain preventing for that.

BASH: Congressman Gabbard, what’s your response?

GABBARD: The fact is true now, we don’t have a healthcare system. Now we have a sick care system, and there are far too many individuals on this nation who’re sick and unable to get the care that they want as a result of they can’t afford it. So the core of this drawback is the truth that massive insurance coverage firms and massive pharmaceutical firms who’ve been profiting off the backs of sick folks have had a seat on the desk, penning this laws.

Now, Kamala Harris simply talked about Kathleen Sebelius who helped write her invoice. This simply pointed to the deadly flaw in her proposal. Sebelius works for Medicare Benefit, a non-public insurance coverage firm who will stand to revenue below her plan. If we’re looking for to actually reform our healthcare system, we’ve obtained to close out massive insurance coverage and massive pharma out of the drafting course of so they can’t proceed to revenue off the backs of the sick folks on this nation who’re looking and in determined want of care.

BASH: Senior Harris, your response?


HARRIS: Properly, sadly, Consultant Gabbard obtained it incorrect. Kathleen Sebelius didn’t write my plan; she endorsed it as being one of many plans that’s the greatest to get us to a spot the place everybody goes to have entry to healthcare in America. And once we speak about this once more, I will again to Vice President Biden, as a result of your plan doesn’t cowl everybody in America.

By your staffs and your personal definition, 10 million folks – as many as 10 million folks won’t have entry to healthcare. And in 2019 in America, for a Democrat to be working for president with a plan that doesn’t cowl everybody, I feel is with out excuse. Our plan covers everybody –

BASH: Thanks, Senator.

HARRIS: – and offers folks selection

BASH: Thanks, Senator. Vice President Biden, your response?

BIDEN: My plan does – will cowl everybody, primary. Quantity two, the actual fact is that my plan additionally requires controlling drug costs. The biopharma is now the place issues are going to go. It’s not chemical substances. It’s about all these breakthroughs that we’ve got, with the entire – excuse me, immune system.

And what we’ve got to do now could be we’ve got to have a kind that sits in HHS and says, as you develop a drug, you bought to return to us and determine what you’ll be able to promote it for. We are going to set the worth. And secondly, it says that you just can’t increase that worth past the price of inflation from this level on.

TAPPER: Thanks, Mr. Vice President. I need to usher in Senator Bennet. Final night time, on this stage, one in every of your democratic rivals steered that working on Medicare for All would get Donald Trump reelected.

BENNET: I agree that it makes it more likely. In contrast to others on this stage, I have been crystal away from the place I have been for a decade, by way of two powerful races in Colorado. I imagine we should always end the job we began with the Reasonably priced Care Act with a public choice that provides all people on this viewers the prospect to select for his or her household, whether or not they need personal insurance coverage or public insurance coverage.

It requires the drug firms to be negotiated with by Medicare and it supplies competitors. That’s completely completely different from the plan that Senator Warren and Senator Sanders and Senator Harris have proposed, which might make unlawful employer based mostly medical insurance on this nation and massively increase taxes on the center class to the tune of $30 trillion.

As Joe Biden mentioned, we do not want to do this. It would not make sense for us to remove insurance coverage from half the folks on this room and — and put enormous taxes on nearly all people on this room once we move a public choice, belief the American folks to make the appropriate determination, and have common healthcare on this nation in two years, not 10 years.

TAPPER: Thanks, Senator. Secretary Castro, I need to deliver you in …

HARRIS: I — I would like to reply.

TAPPER: Your response. I will come to you proper after Secretary Castro. Secretary Castro.

CASTRO: Properly, I do know that that is one thing very private for all Individuals. I grew up with a grandmother that had diabetes and I watched as her situation obtained worse and worse. That complete time she had Medicare.

I need to strengthen Medicare for the people who find themselves on it after which develop it to anyone who desires it. I additionally imagine thought that if any individual has a non-public medical insurance plan that’s sturdy that they need to maintain on to that they need to be capable to try this.

What I don’t imagine is that the revenue motive of huge pharma or massive insurance coverage firms ought to ever decide, in our nice nation, whether or not any individual will get healthcare or not.

TAPPER: Thanks, Secretary Castro. Senator Harris, Senator Bennet had steered that you just assist banning employer based mostly medical insurance. Is that true?

HARRIS: Properly to start with, with all due respect to my good friend, Michael Bennet, my plan doesn’t provide something that’s unlawful. What it does is it separates the employer from healthcare, that means that the place you’re employed won’t be a — the place — the type of healthcare you get won’t be a perform of the place you’re employed.

I’ve me met so many Individuals who keep on with a job that they don’t like, the place they don’t seem to be prospering just because they want the healthcare that that employer supplies. It’s time that we separate employers from the type of healthcare folks get and below my plan; we try this because it pertains to the insurance coverage and the pharmaceutical firms ….

TAPPER: Thanks, Senator.

HARRIS: Who won’t be referred to as in and who won’t be taken to job by Senator Biden or Senator Bennet’s plan …

TAPPER: Thanks, Senator.

HARRIS: We are going to try this.

TAPPER: Senator Bennet, I need to deliver you again.

BENNET: Senator Harris is my good friend as properly, however I’ve to say if we won’t admit — if we won’t admit tonight what’s within the plan, which is banning employer based mostly insurance coverage, we’re not going to have the ability to admit that when Donald Trump is accusing democrats of doing that as properly.

We have to be sincere about what’s on this plan. It bans employer based mostly insurance coverage and taxes the center class to the tune of $30 trillion. Are you aware how a lot that’s? That’s 70 p.c of what the federal government will acquire in taxes over the following 10 years.

TAPPER: Thanks, Senator.

BENNET: We do not want to do this.


We will have a public choice to have common healthcare on this nation.

TAPPER: I do need to usher in Senator Harris as a result of he simply steered you weren’t being sincere.

HARRIS: He — we can’t preserve with the republican speaking factors on this. You bought to cease. The fact is that – what — below my Medicare for All plan, sure, employers should not going to have the ability to dictate the type of healthcare that their workers get. They’ll be capable to make that call.

Personal insurance coverage firms and personal carriers, in the event that they comply by our guidelines and play by our guidelines, will be capable to provide these workers healthcare protection below a non-public Medicare plan or they’ll have the choice of a public Medicare plan. However it’s deceptive to counsel that workers need what their employer is providing solely. They need selection and my plan provides that to them.

TAPPER: Thank. Thanks, Senator. Governor Inslee, I need to deliver you in. You latterly signed a public choice into legislation, which permits Washington State residents to buy a state backed plan in the event that they need to.

However this will solely save households in Washington State as little as 5 p.c off premiums. Is 5 p.c actually the type of reduction that the American folks want?

INSLEE: No, we’d like common protection. And I am happy with our state that has finished much less squabbling and really getting issues finished. And I’m proud that we’re the primary state to supply a publically sanctioned provide of healthcare to our residents.

I am additionally proud that we did not cease there. We’re additionally the primary state that has taken care of our elders, our seniors. Now we have a looming retirement wave arising. I am proud that our state — our state has made them eligible to retire in dignity.

I am additionally happy with this and I feel we have to discuss extra about this as democrats, it’s time to give folks sufficient psychological healthcare on this nation. And we’re — we’re …


We’re having — we’ve had some success in integrating psychological well being with bodily well being. There’s no purpose we should always distinguish between your physiological and your psychological well being.

And the very last thing we’re doing, I feel it’s very instructive for the nation. We all know we’re being eaten alive by pharmaceutical price. Now we have had one in every of, if not essentially the most, modern technique to drive down prescription drugs for all times saving medicines in the USA.

Now we have had one in every of, if not essentially the most modern technique to drive down prescription drugs for life-saving medicines in the USA. That’s a report of Washington state I’d wish to take to Washington, D.C.

TAPPER: Thanks. Thanks, Governor Inslee.

Mr. Yang, I need to deliver you in. You assist a Medicare for All system. How do you reply to Governor Inslee?

YANG: Properly, I simply need to share a narrative. After I instructed my spouse I used to be working for president, you already know the primary query she requested me? What are we going to do about our well being care?

That is a real story, and it isn’t simply us. Democrats are speaking about well being care within the incorrect approach. As somebody who’s run a enterprise, I can inform you flat out our present well being care system makes it tougher to rent, it makes it tougher to deal with folks properly and provides them advantages and deal with them as full-time workers, it makes it tougher to modify jobs, as Senator Harris simply mentioned, and it is actually quite a bit tougher to start out a enterprise.

If we are saying, look, we will get well being care off the backs of companies and households, then watch American entrepreneurship get better and bloom. That is the argument we ought to be making to the American folks.


TAPPER: Thanks, Mr. Yang.

Mayor de Blasio?

DE BLASIO: Yeah, I don’t perceive why Democrats on this stage are fearmongering about common well being care. It is unnecessary. Ask the American folks, they’re sick of what the pharmaceutical firms are doing to them. Ask them what they really feel concerning the medical insurance firms. They really feel it’s holding again their households as a result of they’ll’t get the protection they want. They get loads of noes. They don’t get loads of assist from medical insurance firms.

Why are we not going to be the occasion that does one thing daring, that claims we do not have to be depending on personal insurance coverage? We will have a system that really covers everybody. what? Donald Trump gained this state of Michigan by saying he was going to disrupt the established order. How about we be the occasion that is going to disrupt the established order for working folks?

TAPPER: Thanks. Mr. Mayor, only a 15-second level of clarification. Who’re you speaking about? Who’s fearmongering?

DE BLASIO: Actually, with all due respect to Senator Bennet, what he is saying is totally inaccurate about taxes. Individuals proper now are paying a lot cash for his or her well being care, ask folks concerning the actuality of premiums, deductibles, co-pays, out-of-pocket bills.

TAPPER: Thanks.

DE BLASIO: That is worse than any tax, and individuals are paying that proper now.

TAPPER: Thanks, Mr. Mayor.

Senator Bennet?

BENNET: This — that is — this has nothing to do with Republican speaking factors or the pharmaceutical business. This has to do with having religion within the American folks that they’ll make the appropriate selections for his or her households they usually can select a public choice.

Bernie Sanders, who mentioned final night time he wrote the rattling invoice, and he did, identical to I wrote the rattling public choice invoice, is the man who says it would price $32 trillion and that we will have to lift these taxes to pay for it. He says that. Republicans do not say it. Do not attempt to district from the reality.

TAPPER: Thanks, Senator Bennet.

BENNET: You possibly can’t disguise from the reality.

TAPPER: I need to let Mayor de Blasio — after which I will come to you, Vice President Biden.

BENNET: We have to be for common well being care.

DE BLASIO: Senator, if we as Democrats say we’re finished with personal insurance coverage, has solely harm the American folks in so some ways, we will give them one thing that works for his or her household’s full protection that they’ll rely on. If we are saying that, then there’s an election. The American folks get to determine.

The last word selection, Senator, is an election, and this ought to be the occasion that stands for common well being care and says we’re not going to simply accept something much less. Proper now, in America, so many individuals do not have the well being care they want. That may be a truth. Tens of tens of millions of individuals, together with center class folks.

TAPPER: Thanks, Mr. Mayor.

DE BLASIO: Give them an opportunity to make that call by way of an election.

TAPPER: Thanks, Mr. Mayor.

Vice President Biden, your response, sir?

BIDEN: This isn’t a Republican speaking level. The Republicans try to kill Obamacare. Obamacare took care of 20 million folks proper off the bat, 100 million folks with pre-existing circumstances. And in reality, what we obtained is a public choice that, actually, would permit anyone to purchase in.

Nobody has to maintain their personal insurance coverage. They will purchase into this plan. And so they should buy into it with $1,000 deductible and by no means need to pay greater than 8.5 p.c of their revenue after they do it. And in the event that they have no cash, they will get in free. So this concept is a bunch of malarkey, what we’re speaking about right here.


The very fact of the matter is — the actual fact of the matter is that there can be a deductible. It is going to be a deductible on their paycheck. Bernie acknowledges it. Bernie acknowledges it. Thirty trillion {dollars} has to in the end be paid. And I don’t know what math you do in New York, I don’t know what math you do in California, however I inform ya, that’s some huge cash, and there can be a deductible. The deductible can be out of your paycheck, as a result of that’s what can be required.

TAPPER: Senator Harris, I need to deliver you in right here. Your response?


HARRIS: Yeah, let’s speak about math. Let’s speak about math. Let’s speak about the truth that the pharmaceutical firms and the insurance coverage firms final yr alone profited $72 billion, and that’s on the backs of American households.

And below your plan, established order, you do nothing to carry the insurance coverage firms to job for what they’ve been doing to American households. In America immediately, diabetes sufferers, one in 4 can’t afford their insulin. In America immediately…

TAPPER: Thanks, Senator.

HARRIS: … for these individuals who have overdosed from an opioid, there’s a syringe that prices $4,000 that can save their life.

TAPPER: Thanks, Senator.

HARRIS: It’s immoral. It’s untenable.

TAPPER: Thanks, Senator.

HARRIS: And it should change with Medicare for All.

TAPPER: Your time is up, Senator. Vice President Biden, your response?


BIDEN: Actual fast. I’ve the one plan that limits the flexibility of insurance coverage firms to cost unreasonable costs, flat out, primary.

Quantity two, we should always put a few of these insurance coverage executives who completely oppose my plan in jail for of the $9 billion opioids they promote on the market.


They’re misrepresenting to the American folks what must be finished.

And, lastly, here is the deal. The deal is, let’s work out how this works. We instantly are in a position to cowl all people who desires to get off of their insurance coverage plan they do not like, it doesn’t matter what one it’s, and purchase right into a Medicare choice. And so they should buy the gold plan, they usually’re not going to need to pay — anyway…

LEMON: Thanks, Mr. Vice President. Thanks.

Let’s transfer now to immigration, please. Secretary Castro, you suppose it ought to not be against the law to cross the U.S. border illegally. President Obama’s homeland safety secretary, Jeh Johnson, whom you served with, says that may be a public declaration that the border is, quote, “successfully open to all.” How is he incorrect?

CASTRO: Thanks for that query. , in the event you elect me president, you are not electing me to observe. You are electing me to guide. And open borders is a right-wing speaking level, and admittedly I am dissatisfied that some people, together with some people on this stage, have taken the bait.

The one approach that we’re going to ensure that we don’t have household separations on this nation once more is to repeal Part 1325 of the Immigration Nationality Act. That’s the legislation that this president, this administration is utilizing to incarcerate migrant dad and mom after which bodily separate them from their kids.

My immigration plan would additionally be sure that we put undocumented immigrants who have not dedicated a critical crime on a pathway to citizenship, that we do a 21st century Marshall Plan with Honduras, El Salvador, and Guatemala, in order that we will get to the foundation of this problem so folks can discover security and alternative at house as a substitute of getting to return to the USA. That is how we might be smarter, more practical, and extra humane relating to immigration coverage.

LEMON: Thanks, Secretary Castro.


Senator Bennet, what’s your response?

BENNET: I disagree that we should always decriminalize our border. That is private for me. My mother is an immigrant, and he or she was separated from her dad and mom throughout the Holocaust in Poland.

And for these causes, I used to be a part of the Gang of Eight that wrote — I wrote the immigration invoice in 2013 with John McCain that handed the Senate with 68 votes, that gave a pathway to citizenship for the 11 million undocumented folks which might be right here, that might move essentially the most progressive DREAM Act that had ever been conceived, a lot much less handed on the ground of the Senate, and had $46 billion of border safety. Each single Democrat voted for that invoice…

LEMON: Senator…

BENNET: … and loads of Republicans. That ought to be our place.

LEMON: Thanks. Thanks, Senator.

BENNET: That’s our place as Democrats.

LEMON: Senator Harris, you’ve got indicated that you do not suppose it ought to be a legal offense punishable by jail to cross the U.S. border illegally. How do you reply to Senator Bennet?

HARRIS: Properly, once more, with all due respect, you already know, I — after the final debate, for instance, I went to a spot in Florida referred to as Homestead, and there’s a personal detention facility being paid for by your taxpayer {dollars}, a non-public detention facility that presently homes 2,700 kids.

And by the way in which, there have been members of us — Julian was there, members of Congress, they’d not allow us to enter the place, members of the USA Congress. So I walked down the highway, I climbed a ladder, and I seemed over the fence. And I will inform you what I noticed. I noticed kids lined up single file based mostly on gender being walked into barracks. The insurance policies of this administration have been facilitated by legal guidelines on the books…

LEMON: Thanks, Senator.

HARRIS: … that permit them to be incarcerated as if they’ve dedicated crimes.

LEMON: Thanks, Senator.

HARRIS: These kids haven’t dedicated crimes…

LEMON: Thanks, Senator Harris.

HARRIS: … and ought to be not handled like criminals.


LEMON: Senator Bennet, what’s your response?


BENNET: I feel that is one ultimately that we agree with. There’s not a single particular person on this stage if we have been president would ever separate a baby from their dad and mom on the border. And that’s what this…


That’s what this administration has finished within the American folks’s identify. They’ve turned our border into an emblem of nativist hostility. The image of this nation earlier than Donald Trump was president was the Statue of Liberty. That ought to be the image of the USA of America, not Donald Trump’s phrases.

LEMON: Thanks, Senator Bennet.

Senator Gillibrand, I need to deliver you in. What’s your response?

GILLIBRAND: So I feel once you speak about whether or not this ought to be against the law, you must keep in mind who we’re speaking about. After I was on the Texas border, I visited with girls who had fled violence. A girl from El Salvador owned a small enterprise, gangs got here to her and mentioned in the event you do not give us all of your cash, we will kill your loved ones. That is why she fled.

One other lady was raped.

That is why she fled.

So that is who we’re speaking about — they usually’re not criminals. So I imagine that we should always have a civil violation. No president earlier than President Trump enforced the legislation in the way in which he has enforced it. As a result of he is utilizing it because the crutch to lock up girls and youngsters, to separate moms and infants, to place them behind bars.

So I do not suppose we should always have a legislation on the books that may be so misused. It ought to be a civil violation and we should always be sure that we deal with folks humanely.

LEMON: Thanks, Senator.


Vice President Biden, within the first two years of the Obama administration, practically 800,000 immigrants have been deported, excess of throughout President Trump’s first two years. Would the upper deportation charges resume in the event you have been president?

BIDEN: Completely not, primary. Quantity two, the whole lot landed on the president’s desk however locusts. I discovered that Julian — excuse me — the secretary, we sat collectively in lots of conferences. I by no means heard him speak about any of this when he was the secretary.

(UNKNOWN): Three million (ph) (inaudible)

LEMON: Please be respectful. Please be respectful within the crowd.

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LEMON: Please proceed, Mr. Vice President.

(UNKNOWN): Three million (ph) (inaudible)

BIDEN: The very fact is — the actual fact is…

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BIDEN: I do not know in the event you can hear. I can hear. However anyway…

LEMON: We will hear superb, Mr. Vice President.



LEMON: Please proceed, if you’ll.

BIDEN: The very fact is what the senator from New York talked about is looking for asylum. That lady, the ladies she spoke to are entitled to asylum. That’s not crossing the border illegally. What we should always do is flood the zone to verify we’ve got folks to make these selections shortly.

With regard to — with regard to the secretary’s level, I already proposed and handed…


… $750 million for Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras, to have the ability to change the circumstance why folks fled within the first place.

Along with that, we’re in a circumstance the place if actually you say you’ll be able to simply cross the border, what do you say to all these folks around the globe who actually need the identical factor to return to the USA and make their case, that they do not — that they’ve to attend in line. The very fact of the matter is, it’s best to be capable to — in the event you cross the border illegally, it’s best to be capable to be despatched again. It is a crime. It is a crime, and it isn’t one which actually…

LEMON: Thank — thanks, Mr. Vice President. Secretary Castro, please, your response?


CASTRO: Yeah, to start with, Mr. Vice President, it seems like one in every of us has realized the teachings of the previous and one in every of us hasn’t.


Let me start by telling you — let me simply begin out by answering that query. My immigration plan would additionally repair the damaged authorized immigration system, as a result of we do have an issue with that.

BIDEN: I agree.

CASTRO: Secondly, the one approach that we will assure that these sorts of household separations do not occur sooner or later is that we have to repeal this legislation. There’s nonetheless going to be penalties if any individual crosses the border. It is a civil motion. Additionally, we’ve got 654 miles of fencing. Now we have 1000’s of personnel on the border. Now we have planes; we’ve got boats; we’ve got helicopters; we’ve got safety cameras…

LEMON: Secretary Castro, thanks.

CASTRO: What we’d like are politicians that really…

LEMON: Your time is up.

CASTRO: … have some guts on this concern.

LEMON: Thanks, Secretary.


Mr. Vice President, please, your response?

BIDEN: I’ve guts sufficient to say his plan would not make sense. This is the deal. The very fact of the matter is that, actually, when folks cross the border illegally, it’s unlawful to do it until they’re looking for asylum. Individuals ought to need to get in line. That is the issue. And the one purpose this specific a part of the legislation is being abused is due to Donald Trump. We should always defeat Donald Trump and finish this follow.


LEMON: Thanks. Congresswoman Gabbard, what’s your response?

GABBARD: Our hearts break once we see these kids at these detention services who’ve been separated from their dad and mom, once we see human beings crowded into cages in abhorrent, inhumane circumstances. That is about management and understanding that we will and will have each safe borders in addition to humane immigration insurance policies.

We should cease separating kids from their dad and mom, make it in order that it is simpler for folks to hunt asylum on this nation, be sure that we’re securing our borders and making it in order that individuals are in a position to make use of our authorized immigration system by reforming these legal guidelines.

LEMON: Mr. Yang, your response?


YANG: I am the son of immigrants myself. My father immigrated right here as a graduate pupil and generated over 65 U.S. patents for G.E. and IBM. I feel that is a reasonably whole lot for the USA. That is the immigration story we have to be telling.

We won’t all the time be specializing in among the — the — the distressed tales. And in the event you go to a manufacturing facility right here in Michigan, you’ll not discover wall-to-wall immigrants; you can see wall-to-wall robots and machines. Immigrants are being scapegoated for points they don’t have anything to do with in our financial system.


LEMON: Thanks, Mr. Yang. Senator Booker you’ve got a plan that might, quote, “nearly get rid of immigration detention.” Does that imply that the roughly 55,000 migrants presently in detention can be launched into the USA?

BOOKER: Properly, to start with, I simply need to say, once more, tonight, we’re taking part in into Republican arms who’ve a really completely different view, they usually’re making an attempt to divide us towards one another. I am listening to the language of my colleagues. No, Mr. Vice President, we’re not going to simply let folks cross the border. An illegal crossing is an illegal crossing, in the event you do it within the civil courts, or in the event you do within the legal courts.

However the legal courts is what’s giving Donald Trump the flexibility to actually violate the human rights of individuals coming to our nation, who nobody surrenders their human rights. And so, doing it by way of the civil courts implies that you will not want these terrible detention services that I’ve been to; seeing kids sleeping on pavement, folks being put in cages, nursing moms, young children.

This isn’t essential. Now we have seen, utilizing the civil system, piloted packages which have 100 p.c compliance with the civil courts, the place individuals are evaluated. In the event that they haven’t any justifiable purpose to be right here, they’re returned. If they’re, just like the folks I met in Juarez, who have been survivors of sexual assault, who we would not even let come and current for asylum. We’re butchering our values –

LEMON: Senator –

BOOKER: – and making ourselves much less secure.

LEMON: Senator Booker, thanks very a lot. Mr. Vice President, your response?

BIDEN: I agree with the Senator. The asylum course of is an actual course of, and this president is ruining it. It has nothing to do with that part of legislation. That is what he is doing, primary. Quantity two, we should always actually – and we had proposed and we tried to get handed in our administration, I proposed, considerably growing the variety of authorized immigrants who’re in a position to come.

This nation can tolerate a heck of much more folks. And the rationale we are the nation we’re is we have been in a position to cherry decide from the most effective of each tradition. Immigrants constructed this nation. That is why we’re so particular. It took braveness. It took resilience. It took completely confidence for them to return. And we ought to be encouraging these folks.

LEMON: Thanks.

BIDEN: And by the way in which, anyone that crosses the stage with a – with a – with a PhD, it’s best to get a inexperienced card for seven years. We should always preserve them right here.

LEMON: Thanks. Thanks very a lot, Mr. Vice President. Governor Inslee, what’s your response?

INSLEE: I feel we’re lacking two central statements we have to make. Primary, we will not permit a white nationalist to be within the White Home, primary.


And quantity two – quantity two, we’ve got to make America what it is all the time been, a spot of refuge. We obtained to spice up the variety of folks we settle for. I am happy with being the primary governor saying ship us your Syrian refugees. I am proud to have been the primary governor to face up towards Donald Trump’s Muslim ban. I am proud to have sued him 21 occasions and beat him 21 occasions in a row. I am prepared for November 2020.


LEMON: Go forward. Mayor de Blasio, please your response?

DE BLASIO: Two factors. One, it is all type of charade as a result of there’s 11 million folks right here, and everybody, in concept, has damaged the legislation, however they’re a part of our communities now. They’re a part of our financial system. They’re our neighbors. Why are we even discussing on one degree whether or not it is a civil penalty or a legal penalty, when it is an American actuality?

And what we’d like is complete immigration, as soon as and for all, to repair it. Second, Vice President Biden, I did not hear your response when the difficulty got here up of all these deportations. You have been vp of the USA. I did not hear whether or not you tried to cease them or not, utilizing your energy, your affect within the White Home. Do you suppose it was a good suggestion, or do you suppose it was one thing that wanted to be stopped?

LEMON: Mr. Vice President –

BIDEN: The president got here alongside, and he is the man that got here up with the thought the primary time ever, coping with the dreamers. He put that within the legislation. He had talked a couple of complete plan which he placed on the – laid earlier than the Congress, saying that we should always discover a pathway to citizenship for folks. He mentioned we should always up the variety of folks that we’re in a position to herald to this nation.

Lastly, he additionally identified that we should always go to the supply of the issue and repair it the place folks have been leaving within the first place. So he did – to check him to Donald Trump, I feel is totally weird.

LEMON: Thanks very a lot, Mr. Vice President. Congresswoman Gabbard, you’re a co-sponsor of the School for All Act which might make public faculties and universities free for all Individuals. One of many authors of that plan, Senator Sanders, believes school ought to be tuition-free for undocumented immigrants as properly. Do you?

GABBARD: I do not. I feel it is vital for us to repair our authorized immigration system and take a look at the tens of millions of undocumented immigrants on this nation who’ve been struggling as they have been residing within the shadows.

And as a substitute of placing a band-aid on this drawback, repair our authorized immigration system to supply them with that pathway to authorized residency or citizenships, that they’re not handled as second-class residents on this nation. We have to take a look at the problem that individuals all throughout the nation are dealing with, below crushing pupil debt.

That is one thing that’s impacting my era in an enormous approach and I imagine that it’s our era that has the daring, artistic options to have the ability to resolve it. That is about promise for our future and we have to make these sorts of investments.

LEMON: Thanks, Congresswoman. Mayor de Blasio, what’s your response?

DE BLASIO: Sure, I — I agree with the congress member however I do not hear a solution from the vp. I am confused. I requested the vp level clean, did he use his energy to cease these deportations. He went proper across the query.

Mr. Vice President, you need to be president of the USA, you want to have the ability to reply the powerful questions. I assure you in the event you’re debating Donald Trump he isn’t going to allow you to off the hook. So did you say these deportations have been a good suggestion or did you go to the president and say this can be a mistake, we should not do it. Which one?

BIDEN: I used to be vp. I’m not the president. I preserve my advice to him in personal. In contrast to you I can anticipate you’d go forward and say no matter was mentioned privately with him. That’s not what I do.

What I do say to you is he moved to essentially change the system. That is what he did. That is who did. However rather more must be finished. Far more must be finished.

DE BLASIO: I nonetheless do not hear a solution.

LEMON: Senator Booker, please reply.

BOOKER: Properly, a few issues. To begin with, Mr. Vice President, you’ll be able to’t have it each methods. You invoke President Obama greater than anyone on this marketing campaign. You possibly can’t do it when it is handy after which dodge it when it isn’t.

And the second factor that this actually urkes (ph) me as a result of I heard the vp say that in the event you obtained a PhD., you’ll be able to come proper into this nation. Properly that is taking part in into what the republicans need, to pit some immigrants towards different immigrants.

From are from shithole nations and a few are from worthy nations. We have to reform this complete immigration system and start to be the nation that claims everybody has price and dignity and this ought to be a rustic that honors for everybody.


Do not let the republicans divide this occasion towards itself.

LEMON: Senator, thanks. Mr. Vice President, your response.

BIDEN: The very fact is that is what I mentioned about this nation. We’re a rustic of immigrants. All of us. All of us. Some right here got here towards their will; others got here as a result of they actually thought they might essentially change their lives. And so they did.

(Inaudible) that is what we’re speaking about. That is what made us nice. And the actual fact of the matter is, I feel the president of the USA, Barack Obama, went out of his technique to attempt to change the system and he obtained pushed again considerably.

LEMON: Senator Gillibrand, what’s your response?

GILLIBRAND: Once more, President Trump, below his administration seven kids died in his custody. In — below his administration households have been torn aside. This occasion is speaking about actual concepts for the long run. We’re speaking about what we are going to do to alter America.

However we should not overlook about our values. We used to imagine on this nation it’s best to deal with others the way in which you need to be handled. We used to imagine on this nation we should always care concerning the least amongst us. Let’s remind the American individuals who we’re, why we’re democrats, and why we’re working for president.

LEMON: Senator Gillibrand, thanks very a lot. The talk can be proper again proper after this quick break.


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